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PJ Coffey

@CrazyMyra

So: Apple sets up a server, invites existing non-masto customer base. 99% are nice geeks. 1% are paid shills. Hard to defed people just being enthusiastic.

Ex Twitter users refuse to use self-defence tools. Calamity.

Have I got that about right?

I think that people agree levels of small creator ads. No one wants to be muted or disliked.

@Homebrewandhacking I'd argue the percentages strongly, but you've got the idea.
I'm a firm believer in Edward Abbey's maxim (Growth for the sake of growth is the "ideology" of the cancer cell) and I think we need to think about these things before Mastodon becomes just another Twitter, with ALL its problems - not just the Nazis.

@CrazyMyra

:) Arbitrary numbers for illustrative purposes.

I think maybe too high 🤔 I honestly don't know. What kind of calculation would have to go into it for red team? 🤔

I'm on board with growth for its own sake not being good, but D&D used "network externalities" to become a significant cultural force. I feel the values espoused here are good "soft power" ones.

It's still very, very hard to get started here.

@Homebrewandhacking It is hard to get going, and I barely have any suggestions for ways to address the problems - nevermind any solutions.
The only thing I'm certain of is that we need to think very critically about the wider implications for Mastodon of Twitter's collapse.
We're a pleasant, fairly harmonious herd, but the predators are arriving because their previous feeding ground is becoming depleted.

@CrazyMyra

That's true. I certainly see a lot of talk, just incidentally, from moderators talking about this sort of thing.

If you wish to engage subject matter experts than investigation of and seems like a good plan.

Not all of them are mastobros who tell you to submit github requests and rely on the vastly outnumbered gargron to do all the work. 😀

@Homebrewandhacking @CrazyMyra

Sorry if this is a silly question:

In world 1), [corp] leaves Twitter for Bluesky. There is no Mastodon federation, so admins are unbothered.

In world 2), [corp] leaves Twitter and sets up [corp dot social] on the Fediverse, and starts broadcasting. Admins that are OK with this allow it. Admins that aren't, defederate. Because they decide that it's too much trouble to filter good from questionable behavior.

Is the issue with world 2) the volume of corps?

@mekkaokereke

I suspect from word choice you've seen this thread:

mastodon.social/@CrazyMyra/110 (linked to the post about volume).

(I don't know enough to be able to answer the question, but it rings true for me because I'm experiencing a micro version of this with people boosting non alt texted images again and again.)

@CrazyMyra

MastodonOutOnTheMoors (@CrazyMyra@mastodon.social)Content warning: Twitterfication - a 🧵

@mekkaokereke @Homebrewandhacking
My answer: a qualified yes. Almost everything that's problematic about Big Tech (from Twitter to Google) started as good-faith solutions that didn't scale well.
More corps, with more defederation, will lead to fragmentation of Mastodon. And I believe an effect of Musk's plan - if he has a coherent one at all - is to scatter his ideological opposition. Mastodon is an import place where they're regathering.
(No questions are silly here)