Point blank, a mass Fediblock isn't going to work with #Meta.
The cold truth is that people will use #Barcelona whether it federates or not. Even if it fails, Barcelona will probably have more users out of the gate than almost every project save Mastodon. Hell, it will probably eclipse #Bluesky too.
And even if you convince every server to defederate -- which you won't -- this will not be a PR coup for the Fediverse. Newspaper headlines won't blare "Fediverse successfully resists Meta." Instead, they will probably follow @gruber@mastodon.social take with "Open source zealots complain that an open protocol is open."
Again, as I've said countless times, I'm not saying you should federate with Barcelona or any Meta-owned property. If you want, defederate. The joy of the Fediverse is freedom of association.
But a mass Fediblock doesn't solve a few important problems with Meta, and perhaps makes them worse.
The most critical problem is that Meta users need to migrate away from Meta-owned social networks. Until now, a migration path has simply been unfeasible to most. But when Barcelona gets launched, it is possible that many of them will become aware of a greater Fediverse.
How to build that awareness? By interacting with them through services beyond Barcelona.
This approach works. I've interacted with many Mastodon users through services beyond Mastodon, and this has resulted in adoption of other Fediverse software. #Calckey is a case in point.
However, there's a bigger problem concerning Meta: Fediverse replacements for Meta-owned social networks aren't getting mass adoption. And it's not because these apps aren't good.
#Pixelfed is an #Instagram replacement. It is also one of the slickest apps on the Fediverse. Yet, Pixelfed only has 150,000 registered accounts.
#Friendica is a #Facebook replacement. It's been around since 2010. It is a mature product that does many things very well, but Friendica only has 17,000 registered accounts.
The software is great but we are failing to effectively market the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. Now I'm trying my darnedest to change this, and so are many people. But facts are facts. Fediverse alternatives to Meta are a blip on the radar.
Refusing to federate with Barcelona won't change this. How do I know?
Because we don't federate now, and the status quo remains intact.
Meanwhile, Meta is practically gifting Pixelfed and Friendica an opportunity for federation, and it would be foolish to not consider broader implications.
How is it that more people aren't considering this opportunity?
Dare I say that most people -- including devs -- suffer from myopia concerning what the Fediverse is. The Fediverse is not Mastodon, and it is wrong to view the Fediverse solely through the eyes of Mastodon.
And I'll go further: by focusing Barcelona on text, I suspect that Meta is likewise making the same mistake of viewing the Fediverse as a "Twitter killer".
What they may not be considering is that the Fediverse might be a "Meta killer" too. And connecting Barcelona to the Fediverse is opening a can of worms Meta hasn't entirely considered yet.
If Barcelona is indeed text-based, what will happen when a Barcelona user encounters Pixelfed and asks, "Why does this post show reels? And why can't I do the same?"
Believe me, this is the kind of content that triggers migration.
We need to think bigger than Fediblock. Yes, for your own mental health and safety, you may not want to federate with Barcelona. However, there needs to also be a means for Barcelona users to encounter content outside Barcelona.
Perhaps there needs to be "lobby" servers that help Barcelona users enter the greater Fediverse -- helping them make the switch beyond Meta.
"More ways to kill a cat then choking it with butter."
The problem is going to be one of moderation and volume. Some servers are very robust and have fairly low risk populations.
I guess it depends on how "compulsory" Barcelona adoption is and how Meta intends to fund it.
Whilst brands aren't enjoying pinkwashing as much atm, they still don't want to appear next to swastikas and slurs.
@Homebrewandhacking@mastodon.ie Again, I maintain that freedom of association is important and block as you see fit.
But the majority of people who use Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp are not Nazis. In fact, many are from marginalized communities.
My very Asian wife uses Facebook every day. She is not a Nazi. I know this because she's married me.
I would like her to move from Facebook but so far, this has proved challenging because the value of Facebook is her social graph. So far, the only one she knows who uses the Fediverse is me.
But this brings up another important value regarding the Fediverse. Moving here would, in theory, provide her with a safer community.
Not sure where your decision that I said all Facebook users (which includes me and my family) are Nazis comes from.
Some are repellent human beings and some will seize the opportunity to be awful. I don't think that's controversial but up to you fella.
@Homebrewandhacking
Not sure how you got from 'most FB users aren't nazis' to 'you think all FB users are nazis.'
Ah man, did someone switch your context sensitive conversation off? I hate it when that happens. Thread is as follows:
Post RE: meta
Supportive post from trans person discussing strategy noting the de facto forced federation and poor moderation
Rebuff that only idiots think Nazis are on FB and my wife is on there.
My response that not all FB users are Nazis but there are definitely more Nazis than here.
Hope that helps!
@Homebrewandhacking It doesn't, thanks, since it's just you rationalizing your hyperbole.
If I were to deploy hyperbole you would become aware of it most rapidly. I assure you, I am not known for my restraint in being direct and to the point.
Anyway, I'll finish this conversation here as you don't appear to have anything to contribute and I don't have the patience to talk to you today.