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@fiercemilder so true where's there's alot of people there's always someone trying to make a buck from it or trying to prevent it
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@fiercemilder I understand where this is coming from but the takeover scenario is mighty difficult with a truly federated network. I think it is important that each server is a separate community of users linked to other communities. I'm not sure big business will see this as their native home and they will stay on Meta ( they are certainly fleeing the other site). I'm hopeful and optimistic. I hope I'm right.
@fiercemilder I'm sorry for the offtop, but how do you add this "Show more/less" button?
@asm0dey the content wrap/warning option allows this, it looks like "CW" on the browser, but on my app it's a speech bubble with an exclamation mark
@cgranade @fiercemilder also, this time there is a lot more awareness of the adversarial and exploitative nature of tech industry. Hopefully, we also got better at social consensus.
@fiercemilder One saving grace here is that while it might slow new sign ups on existing services, I can't see the people who've already bothered to get themselves an account migrating into the Google version.
Add that to the major virtue of federation being the ability to find a community where you best fit (the local timeline on the Gmail instance would be completely useless) and an attempt at Embrace, Extend, Extinguish could potentially backfire (Embrace, Exodus, Oopsie).
@fiercemilder Just adding a thought on this that's been bouncing around in my head the past couple of days.
Historically, a lot of people have been uncomfortable with the amount of data collected on them by Facebook / Google / Twitter but tolerated it because they don't know what to do about it.
When protecting the privacy of your data just requires moving to another instance - same UI, same experience, just less spying - that actually becomes a much easier sell than abandoning your entire social graph.
@fiercemilder my understanding is that all Mastodon servers have the ability to not federate with select servers. I'd be ok if mastadon.gamedev.place chooses not to federate with gmail.google.com. sometimes less is better.
@fiercemilder Valid from my perspective: An open standard can prevent some stuff. If it is share-alike licensed even more. Personally I encounter Google's happiness to not fully implement a standard when they add X-WR-TIMEZONE to icalendar to change all time zones in all events. We will encounter people wishing compatibility to major players who go a bit off standard. Are there examples where it worked to have big tech agree to not be greedy/lazy but considerate of diversity? TCP/IP.
@fiercemilder I definitely do fear the long term consequences of the communtiy-built platforms I love becoming more and more mainstream (Mastodon, Linux, PeerTube, etc), but I would like to hope that there's a possible middle road between no mainstream success and full on EEE.
