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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://birdbutt.com/@vulgalour" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">vulgalour</a> First of all, "image description" and "alt-text" don't mean the same thing. Alt-text is what's added directly to the image. It's what screen readers used by blind or visually-impaired people read out loud as they can't "read out loud" an image. It's what people see instead of the image if the image doesn't show for them (text-based client, too slow Internet connection, whatever). Alt-text should never convey more information than the image which it is a replacement for. An image description that goes into the post itself is not alt-text. I don't see any rule or part of the "Fediquette" or "Mastodon culture" that speaks against adding that additional information to a reply. Whether it works or not depends on whether your customers accept it or not. I guess that 99% of your aspiring customers in the Fediverse will be on Mastodon, only see your start post and not be bothered to check the replies. So my suggestion is to leave room in the original post for tellling your customers that prices can be found in a reply to that post. But seeing as this will happen to you a lot, it may be worth looking for someplace that offers you more than 500 characters: <ul><li>a Mastodon instance with a raised character limit</li><li>Pleroma (5,000 characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li><li>Akkoma (5,000 characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li><li>Misskey (3,000 characters, hard-coded; just steer clear of misskey.io)</li><li>the various forks of Misskey and forks of their forks like Iceshrimp or Sharkey (thousands of characters by default, configurable by the admin)</li></ul> If you need a five-digit character count, the best you can do requires basically re-learning the Fediverse, mastering a significantly steeper learning curve and very likely abandoning dedicated apps. Here we're talking about Mike Macgirvin's creations from Friendica (200,000 characters) to Hubzilla (probably even higher) to (streams) and Forte (over 24,000,000 characters). #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://snug.moe/@lunareclipse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lunawawa :neofox_snug: :therian:</a> <blockquote>vanilla mastodon is somehow the only software that doesn't allow admins to adjust the character limit.</blockquote> They can adjust the character limit. But it requires digging into the source code because the limit is hard-coded. Basically, if you as an admin want a higher character limit, you have to soft-fork Mastodon. And whenever you upgrade your instance to a new version, it's force-rebased to vanilla, and you have to soft-fork it and apply your changes again. Better yet: Changing the character limit by modifying the source code is, technically speaking, illegal. It would only be compliant with the GNU Affero General Public License if the admin uploaded the modified code to GitHub as a fork of vanilla Mastodon. But no Mastodon admin even only goes through the hassle of learning git just to have more characters. CC: @<a href="https://mastodon.uno/@talksina" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elena Brescacin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AGPL" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AGPL</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mindly.social/@floofpaldi" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spooky Panda Bear 🌈</a> Quick and easy solution: Move away from Mastodon. Go someplace else in the Fediverse that doesn't have a 500-character limit. Move to Pleroma (5,000 characters, configurable by admin). Or Akkoma (5,000 characters, configurable by admin). Or Misskey (3,000 characters, hard-coded). Or one of the several Misskey forks (thousands of characters again, configurable by admin). Or Friendica (unlimited characters). Or Hubzilla (unlimited characters). Or (streams) (unlimited characters; that is, the database can handle a bit over 65,000 characters on older instances with no database upgrade and over 24,000,000 characters otherwise). All of them are in the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. All of them are connected to Mastodon. Proof: This comment comes from Hubzilla. And then do something that nobody on Mastodon would even come up with the idea to do: Put the excerpt into the post. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>

Jupiter RowlandNow let's assume I describe the image twice. Once in a long, detailed description that goes into the post instead of the alt-text (I don't have a 500-character limit; I don't have a limit at all). And then once again and purely visually in the alt-text because Mastodon users demand there be an image description in the alt-text. (3/9) #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://wandering.shop/@kagan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kagan MacTane (he/him)</a> Then I have a question. Warning ahead: This will be a little long. But I've cut it up in chunks of under 500 characters for your convenience because experience has shown me that many Mastodon users completely ignore anything over 500 characters. (1/9) #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://toot.io/@potungthul" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Potung Thul</a> <blockquote>If the idea is to work around limitations like not enough space for text, well, Mastodon is young enough that we should change the design specs rather than use it in an unintended way with unintended consequences.</blockquote> If you regularly run out of characters due to the 500-character limit, the solution that works best right now is not to wait for Mastodon to remove that limitation on all instances. Of course, it isn't to put excess characters into the alt-text either. It's rather to move to e.g. Akkoma or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Friendica or so, anything in the Fediverse that offers way more characters on all instances so that you don't have to ask around which instance has more than 500 characters. CC: @<a href="https://mastodon.art/@foervraengd" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mirre :mastocheck:</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter RowlandTIL that (streams) has a defined character limit of 24 million characters, but until now, the database limits the size of the object to a bit over 65,000 characters. The latter limit is being raised for new installations, and existing servers can raise that limit, too. That's over 130 vs 48,000 Mastodon toots or more than 20 vs 8,000 Misskey notes. Mind you, (streams) counts characters differently from Mastodon. Links aren't always 23 characters, they're as long as the URL plus the link code. The embedding code for in-line images, image URLs and alt-text included, is part of the post text. In general, all BBcode/HTML/Markdown counts into the character count. I'm not sure whether titles and summaries add to the overall character number, but at 24 million characters, that shouldn't make a difference. Unfortunately, I no longer have the delivery report of the one time I exceeded the 65,000 character limit so I don't know how (streams) handles longer posts from outside. <a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/streams?f=&zid=EugeneMcParland%40mastodon.ie" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://fediversity.site/channel/streams?f=&zid=EugeneMcParland%40mastodon.ie" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://fediversity.site/item/9ecdcf5d-9861-45e2-b74e-e0d608f34d6c?f=&zid=EugeneMcParland%40mastodon.ie" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Thu, 30 May 2024 05:27:32 +0200 The long post triggered something we haven't seen before... we allow the post body to be up to 24M, but the obj is capped at 65K. This was acceptable a year ago, but with conversation containers we put the entire post body into the object when sending a collection activity. So you're getting capped at 65K. You can change the item.obj column in the database and make it 'mediumtext'. I'll put this in the install database schema for new installs. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweet</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BeAware :veriweed:</a> <blockquote>but honestly a lot of it just goes over my head past a certain point.</blockquote> That's what I mean when I say I write about an extremely obscure niche topic, and I always have a lot to explain for people to get my images. Unfortunately, the whole topic is probably so special-interest that I have to shove too much down people's throats to give them even only the basics. They might not understand the images either way. <blockquote>But I do see your frustrations on things like post limits and alt text character limits and such.</blockquote> It isn't so much the technology. It doesn't make much of a difference whether Mastodon cuts my 40,000-character image description off at the 1,500-character mark, or whether Hubzilla lets me read only the first 3,500 characters because there's only so much vertical space in my browser window. The full description goes into the post text either way because it contains explanations that are necessary for people to understand the image, and people e.g. with a severe tremor who can't move a mouse steadily or with a head pointer that they poke around on a keyboard with can't read it when it's in the alt-text because they can't access alt-text. And when it's in the post text, Mastodon won't cut it off at the 500-character mark and throw the excess 39,500 characters away. If anything, it rejects posts with over 100,000 characters altogether AFAIK. I know that Pleroma and Akkoma reject posts over 50,000 characters, and I suspect Misskey and the Forkeys to reject even shorter posts. But nobody in my primary audience is on either of these. The problem is rather the culture. It's a culture that's cultivated on Mastodon and on Mastodon only, that disregards the rest of the Fediverse and how it's different because nobody knows, but that is being forced upon that self-same rest of the Fediverse regardless. If your home instance is connected to Mastodon, you play by Mastodon's unofficial rules or else. Sad, but true: The rules of one Mastodon instance don't apply to all connected Mastodon instances all the same. They apply to the local timeline, but not to the federated timeline. Other instances may have contradicting rules, and no instance admin is going to enforce rules that apply to other instances, but not their own one. At the same time, however, Mastodon's overarching unwritten cultural rules do apply to the federated timeline because they apply to all Mastodon instances. And they're forced upon everything that isn't Mastodon all the same. That's partly because Mastodon users don't even notice when something doesn't come from Mastodon, partly because some of those who do know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon still believe that everything that isn't Mastodon is either an alternative UI for Mastodon with a couple extra features (Akkoma or Iceshrimp or Friendica is for the Web what Mona or Tusky is for the phone) or bolted onto Mastodon as an add-on otherwise, and it's partly because whoever is the biggest is the boss, and because Mastodon users tend to think Mastodon was there first. Mastodon's culture includes not only a sufficient description for each image you post, but you're expected to put the full description into the alt-text and only into the alt-text. This comes from adequately describing images in the post text being technically impossible on vanilla Mastodon with only 500 characters minus the actual post text, minus hashtags, minus mentions, minus even content warning. So for one, Mastodon users expect an image description in the alt-text. That's why I describe each image twice, once with a few hundred characters in the alt-text, once with thousands upon thousands of characters in the post text. Besides, I expect Mastodon users to be highly irritated when they discover that I've put a detailed image description into the post text rather than into the alt-text where they expect it. Yes, there's an image description in the alt-text. But why is there a longer one in the post text? Why isn't the long one in the alt-text where it belongs by Mastodon's standards? Why do I refuse to do things like they're done on Mastodon? Okay, so my full image description is too long for alt-text. But why don't I make it shorter then? Nobody on Mastodon writes image descriptions that are several thousand characters long. Why don't I write image descriptions like Mastodon users? Also: While Mastodon is fully capable of importing and displaying posts that are tens of thousands of characters long, many many Mastodon users are very opposed to posts longer than 500 characters. They're technically possible, but they're culturally disliked and frowned upon. This mostly applies to those who use the official Mastodon app that can't fold long posts in and expand them if you want to read them, but it isn't limited to those users. It's another cultural thing: Mastodon cannot post over 500 characters, so Mastodon users aren't used to over 500 characters, so nobody anywhere in the Fediverse must post over 500 characters. Mastodon users actually keep tooting that they want filters which remove everything over 500 characters from their timelines. And not exactly rarely, they take matters into their own hands. If they spot a post with over 500 characters in their personal timeline, they block the poster upon first strike, but not necessarily without complaining to the user first. Some go as far as doing that when they see a post with over 500 characters in the federated timeline. In fact, I expect entire Mastodon instances to have blocked non-Mastodon users instance-wide because some local user felt disturbed about their over-500-characters posts and asked the moderation to step in. There may even be instances, not even exactly small ones, that go as far as blocking the entire offending instance. For these reasons, for me, posting images while having connections all over Mastodon is like treading on raw eggs. I spend 13 hours describing an image in 40,000 characters just to give a casual bystander audience a chance to understand them. I post that thing. A few people may find it helpful. To many, it makes no difference in practice because they don't read my image description. And then there's the unknown number of Mastodon users who take countermeasures or have countermeasures taken by admins/mods because my gargantuan image post disturbs them and/or goes against Mastodon's culture. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonCulture" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonCulture</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@gazeshift" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gazeshift</a> You won't be able to get that on mastodon.social. Either you try to find a Mastodon instance that has a raised character limit. However, there's no list of Mastodon instances with character limits. Or you move to something that's part of the Fediverse, fully federated with Mastodon, but not Mastodon proper, such as: <ul><li><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Pleroma%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> (5,000 characters by default)</li><li><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Akkoma%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> (5,000 characters by default)</li><li><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Misskey%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> (3,000 characters hard-coded, feels very Japanese)</li><li>forks of Misskey like <a href="https://joinsharkey.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> or <a href="https://iceshrimp.dev/iceshrimp/iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> (thousands of characters by default)</li><li><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Friendica%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> (unlimited characters, handles nothing like Mastodon)</li><li><a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> (unlimited characters, handles absolutely nothing like Mastodon, doesn't work with Mastodon apps; this is where I am)</li><li><a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the Streams repository</a> (unlimited characters, handles absolutely nothing like Mastodon, doesn't work with Mastodon apps, public instances are few and hard to find)</li></ul> They're all guaranteed to always give you many many more characters than vanilla Mastodon plus stuff like quotes, quote-posts and text formatting on top. But you'll have to get used to a wholly different UI and UX. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>

Jupiter Rowland"Write your posts as long as you want," they say. "Don't be apologetic about it," they say. "Literally everyone in the whole Fediverse has gotten used to posts over 500 characters, and nobody minds anymore," they say. "Literally everyone on Mastodon is perfectly okay with all of Hubzilla's antics," they say. "Nobody wants the Fediverse to only be vanilla Mastodon," they say. Oh, really? Then I've probably faked this shared post here. <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Citizen.Coping</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM/112130356804325743" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Wed, 20 Mar 2024 23:24:21 +0100 <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Gargron</a> Being able to mute or filter posts that exceed 500 characters would be great. Search is not good because it returns too many dissertations. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPostMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPostMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPostMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPostMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sarcasm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarcasm</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://streams.phanisvara.com/channel/phani" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">phanisvara (streams)</a> Yes, but many Mastodon users can't stand to see posts with over 500 characters. Not only do they refuse to read "long" posts, but some actually block anyone who exceeds 500 characters in a post even only once. I'm pretty sure some ask their Mastodon instance admins to deal with such people. Have them blocked instance-wide. Have their whole Hubzilla hub blocked on that Mastodon instance. Or they try to use Mastodon's report feature to report that Hubzilla user to the admin of that Hubzilla hub, or they have their admin try and get into contact with the admin of that Hubzilla hub, just to have that Hubzilla user sanctioned for breaking some unwritten Mastodon etiquette by posting over 500 characters in one chunk. Of course, they fail in both cases. Hubzilla doesn't support Mastodon's report feature, and mentioning Hubzilla users, in this case the admin, in a public post won't work either. Verdict: That Hubzilla hub is unmoderated and therefore has to be blocked or even out-right Fediblocked. On the grounds of the assumption that Hubzilla works exactly like Mastodon. Which I'm trying to debunk with this series of posts. As at least one of my polls has revealed, there seems to be a not insignificant number of Mastodon users who demand posts with over 500 characters be banned absolutely everywhere in the Fediverse. Including in conversation between users on other projects, regardless of whether overly long posts from that conversation might leak into Mastodon or not. And, of course, there's the Mastodon police that try to urge non-Mastodon users to limit their posts to a maximum of 500 characters, regardless of whether they're aware that the user in question is on something else than Mastodon or not. They're fully convinced that Mastodon was here first, and all the other projects are intruders in Mastodon's Fediverse and have to follow Mastodon's rules. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>

Jupiter RowlandThings to know about Hubzilla: Posts from <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> can be long. Absolutely staggeringly long. For one, where Mastodon usually has a 500-character limit, Hubzilla doesn't have any character limit at all. Besides, Hubzilla users make a lot of use of this. Character limits aren't part of their culture because when Hubzilla was launched, there was no Mastodon yet. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediTips" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediTips</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseTips" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseTips</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/@leighms" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Leigh Silvester</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@Linux_Is_Best" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linux Is Best</a> <code>s/Firefish/Sharkey</code> because both Firefish and one of its official instances have been pretty much unmaintained for months, and some see the whole project in its death throes if @<a href="https://firefish.social/@kainoa" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kainoa :blobcat_spin_enby: :blobcat_spin_gay:</a> won't come back. But yes, Misskey gives you 3,000 characters, and all the Forkeys (Firefish, Sharkey, Iceshrimp etc.) give you at least the same amount because the admin can configure it. And Friendica doesn't have a character limit at all. At least not a defined one. Neither do Hubzilla and (streams), all created by the same guy as Friendica. I've actually managed to post over 77,000 characters in one piece on Hubzilla a few months ago. But be aware: Some Mastodon users are extremely irritated when they come across a post with something in it that couldn't possibly be written on vanilla Mastodon, e.g. over 500 characters. And they won't leave it at blocking you. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a>

Jupiter RowlandI'm tempted to add the following preamble to all my posts and comments. This would answer a lot of questions right away and maybe leave nothing unclear. <blockquote>Preamble IMPORTANT: I am not on Mastodon. I am on <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is a wholly different project in the <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_the_Fediverse%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>. <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_are_Fediverse_projects%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Fediverse is not only Mastodon</a>. The Fediverse has never been only Mastodon. And Hubzilla is not a fork of Mastodon either. Mastodon was not even here first. The first was StatusNet from 2008 which later became <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/index.php?title=What_is_GNU_social%3F&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GNU social</a>. Then came <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Friendica%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> in 2010. And Hubzilla is from 2015 and based on a project from 2012. Mastodon was launched in 2016. It was immediately federated with all three because it spoke a language that these three spoke, too. Except for GNU social, all are still federated with one another to this day. And this is normal, legal and fully intentional. We aren't the intruders. Technically speaking, Mastodon is the intruder. Hubzilla has features that Mastodon doesn't have. Hubzilla has an unlimited character count where Mastodon has a limit of 500 characters. Hubzilla can create various ways of text formatting such as bold type, italics, code blocks, lists or headlines; Mastodon can display them now, but it can't create them. Hubzilla can embed hyperlinks; Mastodon toots only support URLs in plain sight. Hubzilla can do both quotes and "quote-tweets", and it doesn't have to resort to screenshots for either. And Hubzilla always mentions users by their full name, not by their short name like Mastodon. When Mastodon was launched with its self-imposed restrictions, Hubzilla had had all these features for almost four years already. Friendica had had the same features for almost six years already. And many of these features, including longer posts and text formatting, have been available on all other Fediverse projects since they were created. Thus, I will use features that are not available on Mastodon even though Mastodon users could read this. I will not refrain from writing over 500 characters in one post, and I will not refrain from using text formatting just because Mastodon users aren't used to that. We were here first. And we won't limit ourselves just because you're limited by the software you're using. We will continue to make use of features that you don't have. Deal with it.</blockquote> Unfortunately, the target audience of this, Mastodon users, won't read it because it's too long. Not to mention that it'd require a boatload of content warnings and filter-triggering hashtags; see below. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=TextFormatting" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TextFormatting</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Quotes" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Quotes</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteTweets" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteTweets</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fedisplaining</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFedisplaining" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFedisplaining</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://autistics.life/@JeremyMallin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeremy Mallin</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net/@admin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seeker (tm) (AI8W) ✡︎</a> Such a high limit would only be of use for other Pixelfed users. If the Pixelfed GUI is capable of displaying alt-text in such a way that it can be scrolled, that is. At least Mastodon, Misskey and all Misskey forks including Firefish have a hard cap at 1,500 characters. Longer alt-text is not folded in, it's cut off. Characters beyond that limit are discarded altogether. So if you write an alt-text that's over 1,500 characters, users of these projects will never be able to read all of it. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) don't have any character limits at all. Not for posts, not for alt-text either because alt-text is grafted into the image embedding markup code, so it's part of the post, technically speaking. However, even on a standard desktop display with no zoom and no enlarged characters, you'd be hard-pressed to display more than ca. 3,800 characters because the alt-text pop-ups can't be scrolled. Last but not least, overly long alt-text is not good for the actual primary target audience of alt-texts, screen reader users. Unlike a post text, alt-text can't be navigated. You can't rewind to a specific point in an alt-text using a screen reader. If you have to re-read something, you have to go back to the very beginning of the alt-text and have your screen reader rattle the whole alt-text down again. If anything, Pixelfed should raise the post limit. And the Fediverse as a whole should free itself from the Mastodon-induced "image description = alt-text = image description, full stop, no exception" mindset. For information that's exclusively available in the image description does not belong into alt-text. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a>

Jupiter RowlandAlt-text edge cases that no-one knows exist: 1) Super-detailed pictures with lots of stuff in them. Not just a cat or a bird or a flower. 2) Pictures chock-full of stuff that nobody has ever seen before. 3) Not being on Mastodon. This means not being limited to 500 characters in the post. Instead, you've actually got more room for image descriptions in the post than in Mastodon alt-text. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://literatur.social/@tinderness" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">💭 tinderness</a> That was my impression, based on how a lot of talk about the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> completely ignores anything that isn't #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>. Many things hint at the Fediverse beyond Mastodon being largely unknown. The full-text search debate is one thing. It's all about whether or not Mastodon should have full-text search. The opponents thought that if they had managed to stop the introduction of full-text search to Mastodon, Mastodon would be safe from full-text search. There was literally no awareness whatsoever of the "peril" of just about all the other Fediverse projects which have been happily full-text search-indexing Mastodon toots for years, some even since Mastodon was launched. Or quotes and "quote-toots". Mastodon users want to keep the former from being introduced because they fear it'd lead to the latter which, in turn, would lead to the same kind of harassment as with quote-tweets on X. They believe that if Mastodon doesn't introduce quotes, they're safe because they can be neither quoted nor "quote-tooted". Almost all the other Fediverse projects that can do something like micro-blogging can quote. And #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> can both quote and quote-tweet any Mastodon toot. They've had both features since their own inception. Awareness of this should rise, now that Mastodon can display quotes from other projects correctly. Also, I keep seeing new side-projects pop up which their developers declare as "for the Fediverse", but it quickly becomes obvious that they were built against Mastodon and only Mastodon, completely disregarding everything else. Granted, this occurred much more in late 2022 and early 2023 when lots of hobby devs escaped from Twitter, got all giddy over Mastodon, built stuff against it and then, weeks or months later, were told that the Fediverse is, in fact, more than just Mastodon. Or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>. On the one hand, there are those who complain about users not being able to restrain themselves and absolutely having to write "toots" with more than #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>. It's pretty clear that they always refer to users on "hacked" Mastodon instances with a raised #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a>. They don't explicitly mention the non-Mastodon Fediverse as the culprit although they should because having a much higher character limit is absolutely natural everywhere outside Mastodon. If you're somewhere that isn't Mastodon, and you do as people on that project naturally do, you're basically required to put a "CW: long" #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarning" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarning</a> in your summary field so that Mastodon users aren't disturbed by your #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a>. On the other hand, I sometimes see people wanting to be able to write more than 500 characters. They always ask which Mastodon instances have higher limits. They could easily move to #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> and take everything with them, even more easily than moving within Mastodon. And on Firefish, they wouldn't have to ask around which instance offers more than 500 characters because absolutely all do. But they don't. It is as if all the other Fediverse projects don't exist for them. And if they get replies, it's practically always actually Mastodon instance suggestions. Unless I do, nobody comes and tells them it'd be more practical to simply go elsewhere in the Fediverse where much higher character counts are guaranteed than to try and find a Mastodon instance with a modified character count. It is as if all the other Fediverse projects don't exist for all those who have read the question either. Speaking of which, the "rule" that an #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> always has to go into the #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a>. Even a detailed one. A detailed image description doesn't even belong into alt-text. That's how things are done in the Fediverse, and that's how they have to be done. It's just that they have to be done that way because of Mastodon's limitations. You've only got 500 characters per toot. Minus the actual toot text, minus mentions, minus content warnings, minus hashtags. But you've got 1,500 characters of alt-text per image exclusively for the image description. Absolutely everywhere else, you've got several times as many characters for the post text than for alt-text. You've actually got more room for an image description in the post itself where everyone can access it than in the alt-text where certain physically disabled users can't access it. Absolutely everywhere else. This is completely being disregarded. The only one who ever writes about this, that's me. It seems like the very concept is completely alien and unimaginable for just about everyone else out there. That being said, I've got two on-going polls about how Fediverse users in general and Mastodon users specifically see the non-Mastodon Fediverse. The sample sizes are small, some have learned through these polls that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon, and some may have made use of a new feature in Mastodon 4.2.0 and "peeped" to see what's the "right" answer. But currently only 2% of the voters on the German poll and 4% on the English poll still believed that the Fediverse is only Mastodon. And 4% of the voters on the German poll and 2% on the English poll want it to be only Mastodon.

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://kolektiva.social/@jugularmalloy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jugular Malloy</a> I'm still not convinced yet that every image can be described sufficiently for everyone to understand it in just a few sentences. So I think it doesn't always make sense to limit an #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> to some arbitrary maximum length that isn't justified by technological limits. Unlike what many here insist in, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> are not only for #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Blind" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blind</a> or #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VisuallyImpaired" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VisuallyImpaired</a> users. They can also help sighted users understand images of topics they know little or nothing about. This, however, requires describing and, if necessary, explaining everything that the expected audience is likely to be unfamiliar with. If people can be expected to be unfamiliar with everything in a picture, then yes, everything needs to be described and explained. On average, this is a rare occurrence; for me, it happens all the time, and the result is usually too long for #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a>. Good thing I don't have to deal with #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a>. On the other hand, even while some people are fond of image descriptions that "paint with words", it doesn't always make sense. It probably isn't necessary to go into full detail when describing a typical real-life cat photograph.

Not SureLet's talk about <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/characterlimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#characterlimits</a>: I've never understood this and it has always kept me away from <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Xitter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Xitter</a>. I did some brief research and most of what I found comes back to "engagement". Something <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> prides itself (rightfully) on not caring about. Now sure it keeps things "brief" for casual browsers, but the other edge of that sword is that it forces users to: 1. Not actually fully explain what they're talking about. 2. Simply break it down into a hard-to-read "thread" of just several consecutive tweets. 3. Wrt in chld-lk gbbrsh t sqz n wrds So in reality it achieves nothing. If it's really about keeping the timeline "clean", I understand that, and the simple solution is to just add an "expand" button to long posts. No.1 I think is the biggest problem, and I think contributes to animosity, as people draw the wrong conclusions from a poorly-written thought. Can anyone provide a better reason why this exists? <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastodon</a> <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Fosstodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fosstodon</a> <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Twitter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Twitter</a> <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/X" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#X</a> <a href="https://firefish.social/tags/Musk" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Musk</a>

qazWrote a reply from my seldom-used Mastodon account. Pasted in my basic reply (when on PC, I make use of my editor, with its shortcuts and such): it’s 150 characters over limit, and I have to try to trim it down to 500. It’s like turning real sentences into basic grunts. Fortunately this Akkoma account and my active Mastodon account have higher <a class="hashtag" href="https://3v.is/tag/characterlimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CharacterLimits</a>. I’m definitely not the sort who’s comfortable in half a kiloword. Even in simple replies, I tend to put in enough detail to go over the limit half the time.

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