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@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman:

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RE: mastodon.social/@reiver/114019

The number one cause of Fediverse servers crashing seems to be the storage drives filling up with cached Fediverse user data — posts, profiles, avatar images, header images, etc.

But, Misskey and the Misskey forks (ex: Firefish, Sharkey, etc) also have an additional challenge that fills up their storage drives —

Mastodon@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman: (@reiver@mastodon.social)1/ I can tell you from experience of hosting many people's Fediverse server instances for a number of years now that — Many Fediverse software (at least currently) do a poor job of cleaning-up their various caches Caching other people's profiles, images, posts, etc And, this often ends up filling up the storage drive And as a result, this is a very common thing that causes down-time for people. Probably the most common #DeSo #FediAdmin #FediCache #FediDev #FediDevs #Fediverse #SpaceHostBTS
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David B. Himself

So, I'm back at "where should I move this account?"

I thought Akkomane was the answer, unfortunately, it was not.
There wasn't any one deal breaker, but a few tiny ones that added up.

Namely: it doesn't work with Bridgy Fed, Thumbnails didn't appear when I shared links for some reason, and also it doesn't seem to be able to communicate with Wordpress sites that have the ActivityPub plugin.

So, I'm back to square one.

As a reminder: I want to leave Firefish for two reasons:
1. It's dead. While it's still working great, it will not receive anymore updates ever.
2. Its API doesn't work with many apps (I'd love to be able to use this account with Surf or OpenVibe and such, and I can't)

Part of me thinks about merging this account with my Mastodon account, but I don't know. I like having two accounts talking roughly about different things (even if the limit is somewhat porous).

Another Mastodon account? I'd like to have this account not on Mastodon, basically.

Misskey and forks? (Firefish being one.) Maybe, but after having used Firefish for about two years, I think those are great if you're a community on the same server (i.e. most people on the same server know and follow each other), otherwise, there are too many functions I end up never using. Also, the problem with the API is the same as with Firefish, I believe.

The new IceShrimp (the dot NET one): I'd love to try it, but it's still in beta (anyone knows of a server where I can see what it looks like?)

Something else?
GoToSocial? I admit I'm not too familiar with it. Is there a way to try it without having to install everything on a server and such?


What I'd like is something that allows long posts like this one (I can be talkative and threads of posts are annoying).

Something using Mastodon API so that it is compatible with most apps.

Something that can communicate well with all or most of the Fediverse (including Bridgy Fed, Wordpress ActivityPub, etc.)

(ideally, a server where I know and trust the admin, but that's only in an ideal world)

Any idea I may not be aware of (note that my technical skills are somewhat limited, and no, I can't install something myself on a machine or a server)

#Fediverse #Firefish #Mastodon #IceShrimp

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Don di Dislessia

Du schreibst immer mal wieder Posts, die du zu einem Thread zusammenfügen fügen musst, weil sie mehr als 500 Zeichen haben (was definitiv nicht schön aussieht in der TL) und auf der Suche nach einer guten Alternative dazu?

Dann probiere doch mal eine andere #Fediverse #Plattform aus.

Hier pflege ich eine Liste mit offenen Instanzen, wo man mindestens 3000 Zeichen schreiben kann.

https://contentnation.net/de/favstarmafia/sharkey

Außerdem kann man zum Beispiel mit #Sharkey Accountlisten verwenden, ohne dass man dazu den Accounts folgen muss.

Falls dir diese neue Sicht auf das Fediverse gefällt, dann kannst du sogar deinen Mastodon Account dorthin umziehen.

Was musst du machen, um das mal auszuprobieren
1. Such dir eine Instanz aus, die dir gefallen könnte.
2. Lege dort einen Account an.
3. Exportiere (/settings/export) dein "Folge ich" Accounts in eine CSV Datei.
4. Importiere (/settings/import-export) die Datei in deinen neuen Account unter "Gefolgte Benutzer Import".
5. Viel Spaß beim Ausprobieren!


Eine Einführung in die neue Plattform findest du hier.

#Calckey #Firefish #Sharkey #Iceshrimp

Content Nation · FavStarMafia - Sharkey & Iceshrimp Instanzen - Content NationLinklisteSharkeyIceShrimp...
#fediverse#plattform
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Efexor Zolpidem :v_com:

@elbuga tem um outro software que funciona dentro do fediverso que tem algumas dessas funcionalidades. ele tem vários forks, já vi com os nomes #calckey #misskey #cities #firefish

captura algumas dessas coisas, como comunidades, se não me engano tem grupos também, enquetes com um monte de opção, dá pra reagir com qualquer emoji. tem um monte de coisa que o Mastodon não tem.

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Lasse Gismo - 🇮🇱🇺🇦🇸🇩

AUFRUF
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Ich möchte gerne ein möglichst vollständige Matrix der Features der Fediversesoftwaren erstellen, an prominenter Stelle für alle Interessierten zur Verfügung stellen und Neueinsteigern die Wahl der zu ihren Bedürfnissen passenden Fediversesoftware erleichtern.
Also - wer eine der unten gelisteten SWs kennt, benutzt oder entwickelt und 15 Minuten Lebenszeit erübrigen kann, möge sich bitte bei @LasseGismo melden um das Projekt zu unterstützen.
Ich werde einen Cryptpadlink zur Verfügung stellen um die Änderungen/Ergänzungen direkt in die Tabelle einzutragen.
Wer zudem der Ansicht ist, daß eine Software fehlt und dazu inhaltlich beitragen will, ist natürlich gerne eingeladen sich zu melden.
Hier der Link zur Vorlage, mit Dank an Chris.

Fediversefeature-Matrix-DE.xlsx
lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcl

Boosts sind natürlich sehr willkommen.

Ich danke für Eure Zeit - nur gemeinsam sind wir stark.

CALL
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I would like to create, as complete as possible, a matrix with the features of each Fediverse software, make it available in a prominent place for all interested parties and make it easier for newcomers to choose the Fediverse software that suits their needs.
So - if you know, use or develop one of the SWs listed below and can spare 15 minutes of your life, please contact @LasseGismo to support the project.
I will provide a cryptpad link to enter the changes/additions directly into the table.
If you also think that a software is missing and want to contribute to the content, you are of course welcome to contact me.
Here is the link to the template, with thanks to Chris.

Fediversefeature-Matrix-EN.xlsx
lassegismo.dnsuser.info/nextcl

Boosts are of course very welcome.

Thank you for your time - only together we are strong.

@crossgolf_rebel @PaulaToThePeople
@chris

#FediHelp #FollowerPower
#Akkoma #BookWyrm #Castopod #Diaspora #Firefish #Friendica #Funkwhale #Gancio #GNUSocial #GoToSocial #Hubzilla #kbin #Lemmy #Mastodon #Misskey #Mobilizon #Nextcloud #PeerTube #Pixelfed #Pleroma #Socialhome #Streams #WriteFreely #Wordpress

NextcloudFediversefeature-Matrix-DE.xlsxNextcloud - a safe home for all your data
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Jupiter Rowland
@PaulaToThePeople It isn't just a matter of consent. Besides, for example, I do have quote-post control here on Hubzilla.

I can give permission to quote-post my posts to
  • everyone in the Fediverse
  • everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)
  • everyone on this hub
  • approved and unapproved connections
  • only approved connections
  • only those of my connections whom I explicitly give permission by contact role
  • nobody but myself

Over on (streams), I can still give that permission to
  • everyone in the Fediverse
  • all my connections
  • only myself + specific connections whom I grant that permission either by permission role or by individual connection settings

It's much more a matter of technology.

Mastodon is about to completely re-invent the wheel with a non-standard, Mastodon-only setting. This setting will only work within Mastodon simply because it probably won't even be documented anywhere, especially not before it's officially rolled out.

There simply is no way that every last instance of Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc. will have that setting implemented before Mastodon rolls it out so that even the users on mastodon.social are perfectly safe from the first second on.

Besides, @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️, creator of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and still the only maintainer of the latter two, will never introduce proprietary Mastodon features to them. He'd rather risk (streams) and Forte becoming incompatible with Mastodon. The same goes for @Mario Vavti and @Harald Eilertsen, Hubzilla's main maintainers.

If Mastodon wants to become a perfectly safe haven against unallowed quote-posting, it has only got one choice: It must introduce something like (streams)' and Forte's user agent filter and use it to block just everything that isn't Mastodon. Like, include a hard-coded allowlist that only includes Mastodon plus what little can't quote or quote-post anyway.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #CherryPick #Sharkey #Catodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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Jupiter Rowland
@PaulaToThePeople @Stefan Bohacek Keep one thing in mind:

Mastodon may not have quote-posts yet. But the Fediverse has quote-posts right now. And it has had them since before Mastodon was made.

Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, CherryPick, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko, dozens of other Misskey forks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. etc., they all have quote-posts. They're all fully capable of quote-posting any Mastodon toot.

None of them has introduced quote-posts to harass Twitter refugees on Mastodon. At least Friendica and Hubzilla have had quote-posts since long before Mastodon was even made.

You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.

At least by Mastodon users.

But since this will be Mastodon re-inventing the wheel with brand-new, proprietary, Mastodon-only technology, everything I've listed above will still be able to quote-post anyone and anything on Mastodon with zero resistance.

To quote-post myself and the guy who invented Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte:

Jupiter Rowland schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Sat, 20 Jul 2024 01:29:11 +0200 I think I've just chased someone out of the Fediverse.

That someone was afraid of Mastodon being "screwed over" by becoming quote-post-able.

I've told him the truth: Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around. Mastodon became quote-post-able the very moment it was launched.

That's because when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with Friendica which is from 2010, which had been around for almost six years at that point, and which has had quote-posts from its own inception AFAIK. Mastodon also immediately federated with Hubzilla which has had quote-posts since its own inception, since it had been forked from Friendica, and that was in 2012.

Mastodon has never been un-quote-post-able.

Right now, there are dozens of Fediverse server apps whose users can quote-post Mastodon toots with no resistance.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Sat, 20 Jul 2024 03:18:39 +0200 The closest you'll ever get to making Mastodon un-quote-postable is to post privately. Not unlisted. Private. Most fediverse software will honour this today; and it doesn't require yet another "pretend permission". Like unlisted.

And Mike should know. He brought things to the Fediverse like actually working permissions. Including permissions on two levels to quote-post any content on a channel. Readily available right now at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte.

Also, this is what people on Friendica and its descendants have been using quote-posts for since 2010.

You will be notified when someone quotes you.

You already are when someone on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte quote-posts one of your posts.

As for Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, you aren't notified right now, and I've got my doubts that you will be after this change.

Also, "quote" and "quote-post" are two different things. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can do both. "Quote" is what I'm doing right here. Whether or not you're notified depends on whether or not you're mentioned.

And blocking quotes is even less possible. A quote only consists of a pair of BBcode tags plus the quoted text in-between. And on Friendica and all its descendants, you don't work with a WYSIWYG editor by default, but you have to get your hands dirty on raw markup code.

You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.

Again, probably not if someone on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks quote-posts you.

And definitely not if someone on Friendica or one of its descendants quote-posts you.

The difference is that a quote-post on Pleroma, Misskey or one of their forks is actually a reference to the original. On Friendica and its descendants, a quote-post is an automatically generated dumb copy of the original.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #CherryPick #Sharkey #Catodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
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Jupiter Rowland
@🌴 Seph 💭 👾 @Mercy is now Mercy Again
  • Calckey is deader than dead. It was forked into Firefish in 2023. Only few instances are still alive because their admins refused to move them to Firefish, and their numbers are dwindling further.
  • Firefish itself is dead. Official support and development ended on New Year's Eve. This month, the official server with the code repository and the lighthouse instance is scheduled to be shut down.
  • Sharkey is the most feature-rich. But first of all, its Mastodon client API implementation is said to be notoriously horrible. It seems to be difficult to connect it to a Mastodon app. Its developers are kind of shady; ask @Linux Is Best a.k.a. @Linux Is Best. Lastly, Sharkey's development is cosying up to Mastodon; the goal is to make it more like Mastodon. Not everyone likes that.
  • CherryPick is sometimes recommended. But it's a Japanese project just like Misskey itself, and AFAIK, except for one instance in the USA, all CherryPick instances are hosted in the greater Tokyo and Seoul areas.
  • A more common recommendation is Iceshrimp, and it seems to have the brightest future. It will soon no longer be a Misskey fork. It's currently being re-written from scratch in C# which appears to be the best way to get rid of the many issues that all Forkeys have inherited from Misskey. Its only "disadvantages" may be fewer features than Sharkey (but still more than Misskey) and its coming reliance on "Microsoft technology".

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Sharkey #CherryPick #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
#iceshrimpnet
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Jupiter Rowland
@JustBob Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom".

In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "server". A computer.

For example, a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre.

Or an old laptop that someone had lying around or a Raspberry Pi mini-computer running at someone's home, connected to their landline.

On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon).

Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...).

(Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.)

Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte).

(Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging. Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.)

Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am).

Or an Instagram (Pixelfed).

Or a YouTube (PeerTube).

Or a Twitch (Owncast).

Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed).

Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm).

Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse.

mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon).

If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc.

If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality.

But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners.

And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another.

Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications.

Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook.

In the Fediverse, you can. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account.

Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are dozens of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte.

You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account.

This comment is a very good example. You are on Mastodon, created by @Eugen Rochko in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible.

The server that you're on, mastodon.social, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by Fastly.

I am on Hubzilla, created by @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ in 2012 by forking his own Friendica from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @Mario Vavti and @Harald Eilertsen. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that.

The server that I'm on, Netzgemeinde, is owned and administered by @Mark Nowiasz, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by Netcup.

And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Server #Instance #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #Neko #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Pixelfed #PeerTube #Owncast #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #BookWyrm #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse
GeeksforGeeks · What is a Server? - GeeksforGeeksA server is a hardware device or software that processes requests from clients over a network, providing various services such as data sharing, computation, and resource management in a client-server model.
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Panos Damelos :catodon:

Why I think that #NodeBB's latest release can be a game changer for the #Fediverse

For years, before social media came along, forums were the main place to discuss with others on the internet. Communities were built, thrived, a few survived, most were swallowed by Reddit and Facebook groups.

But there are still many websites/organizations/collectives who need an online space to talk with their members! Newspapers, workers unions, anarchist collectives, football fan clubs - all of those might already be running a forum, or would be open to running one. And now we have a great fedi solution for this, which is primarily a forum, but is also a gateway to the rest of fedi! Especially with the recent crap going on on mainstream social media (Zuckerberg's rightwing turn and Musk openly going full on nazi), I believe there is now an opportunity to suggest this to whatever kind of community you are involved in: "With this platform, we can have a forum for us, but also escape corporate social media!". It is a great idea.

I am a little jealous, to be honest, as this was what I've been saying for years now, what I suggested back in #Firefish, and what we wanted to do with #Catodon - but I'm not a dev and the projects I've been involved in haven't managed to do much in this direction. @julian got there first - well done!

Check out NodeBB, it's very nicely done, and I'm sure it will only get better, since they just released their first version with ActivityPub support. Think of any group/team you're in touch with that might consider hosting a (federated) forum, and suggest it to them! IMO federated communities are far more suitable and make much more sense for the Fediverse, instead of trying to conceptualize it as a kind of Twitter replacement, and they can serve the target of decentralization much better. Let's spread this!

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