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Jupiter Rowland
@Jorge Candeias Bad idea. (Hubzilla user here.)

Hashtags are not only for discoverability (and critically so on Mastodon). They're also the preferred way of triggering the automatic generation of individual reader-side content warnings.

Content warnings that are automatically generated for each user individually based on keyword lists have a long tradition in the Fediverse. Friendica has had them long before Mastodon even existed, much less before Mastodon hijacked the summary field for content warnings. Hubzilla has had them since its own inception which was before Mastodon, too. (streams) has them, Forte has them.

On all four, automated reader-side content warnings are an integral part of their culture. And users of all four (those who are not recent Mastodon converts at least, i.e. those who entered the Fediverse by joining Friendica in the early 2010s) insist in automated reader-side content warnings being vastly better than Mastodon's poster-side content warnings that are forced upon everyone all the same.

Oh, and by the way, Mastodon has this feature, too. It has only introduced it in October, 2022, and since the re-definition of Mastodon's culture in mid-2022 pre-dates it, it is not part of Mastodon's culture. But Mastodon has this feature.

However, in order for these content warnings to be generated, there needs to be a trigger. The safest way is by hashtags: If you post content that not everyone may want to see, add corresponding hashtags, enough to cover as many people as possible. If you don't want to see certain content right away, add the corresponding hashtags as keywords to NSFW (Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte) or a CW-generating filter (Mastodon).

In fact, hashtags can also be used to completely filter out content that you don't want to see at all. And they can be used to trigger such filters. This should work everywhere in the Fediverse.

I myself post stuff that some people don't want to see all the time. Hence, I need a whole lot of hashtags.

Let me explain the "hashtag wall" at the bottom of this comment to you.

  • #Long, #LongPost
    This comment is over 500 characters long. Many Mastodon users don't want to see any content that exceeds 500 characters. They can filter either or both of these hashtags and at least get rid of my content with over 500 characters.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #CWLong, #CWLongPost
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: long (over 8,300 characters)"). Also, filtering these instead of the above has less of a chance of false positives than the above.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta
    This comment contains Fediverse meta content. Some people don't want to read anything about the Fediverse, not even as by-catch or boosted to them by someone whom they follow or even only on their federated timeline. They can filter either or both of these.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #CWFediMeta, #CWFediverseMeta
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: Fediverse meta" or, in this case, "CW: Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta").
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #Fediverse
    This comment is about the Fediverse. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about the Fediverse find my comment.
  • #Mastodon
    This comment touches Mastodon as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Mastodon find my comment.
  • #Friendica
    This comment touches Friendica as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Friendica is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Friendica find my comment.
  • #Hubzilla
    This comment touches Hubzilla as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Hubzilla is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Hubzilla find my comment.
  • #Streams, #(streams)
    This comment touches (streams) as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell the streams repository is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about (streams) find my comment.
    Why two hashtags if they're the same on Mastodon? Because they are not the same on Friendica, Hubzilla (again, that's where I am), (streams) itself and Forte. If I have to choose between catering to the technologies and cultures of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and catering to Mastodon's, I will always choose the former.
  • #Forte
    This comment touches Forte as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Forte is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Forte find my comment.
  • #MastodonCulture
    This comment touches Mastodon culture as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, including critical views upon how Mastodon users try to force Mastodon's 2022 culture upon the users of Fediverse server applications that are very different from Mastodon, and that have had their own culture for much longer. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Mastodon culture find my comment.
  • #Hashtag, #Hashtags
    This comment touches hashtags as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about hashtags and their implications find my comment.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #HashtagMeta
    This comment contains hashtag meta content. Some people don't want to read anything about it, not even as by-catch or boosted to them by someone whom they follow or even only on their federated timeline. They can filter either it.
  • #CWHashtagMeta
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: hashtag meta").

By the way: Hashtags for triggering filters are even more important on Hubzilla in comments when Mastodon users may see them. That's because Hubzilla cannot add Mastodon-style content warnings to comments (= everything that replies to something else; here on Hubzilla, it's very different from a post that isn't a reply). What's a content warning on Mastodon is still (and justifiedly so) a summary on Hubzilla. But from a traditional blogging point of view (Hubzilla can very much be used for full-fledged long-form blogging with all bells and whistles), a summary for a comment doesn't make sense. Thus, the comment editors have no summary field on Hubzilla. Thus, I can't add Mastodon-style CWs to comments here on Hubzilla.

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Jupiter Rowland
Der Standard ist eigentlich PascalCase: Erster Buchstabe von jedem Wort ist groß. CamelCase wäre eher "camelCase", also erster Buchstabe des ersten Wortes klein, erster Buchstabe von allen anderen Wörtern groß. Aber das ist für die, die zu faul sind, Großbuchstaben zu schreiben.

Am elegantesten sieht natürlich ein Hashtag aus mehreren Wörtern aus. Zumindest auf Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte kann man ihn mit Anführungszeichen generieren: #"The Prodigy". In der Darstellung verschwinden dann die Anführungszeichen, und man sieht einen durchgängig linkenden Hashtag mit mehreren Wörtern. Eventuell geht das auch auf Friendica.

Ich weiß jetzt allerdings nicht, wie gut das in Screenreadern funktioniert. Vorlesen können sie das definitiv, aber das Risiko besteht, daß sie einen Hashtag aus mehreren Wörtern nicht als Hashtag aus mehreren Wörtern erkennen und nur das erste Wort als Teil des Hashtags erkennen.

In der Mastodon-Suche spielt das übrigens keine Rolle. Beim Indizieren von Hashtags schmeißt Mastodon alle Zeichen raus, die auf Mastodon in Hashtags nicht funktionieren. #TheProdigy, #The-Prodigy und #"The Prodigy" (das dann ja zu #The Prodigy wird) sind im Suchindex von Mastodon alle gleichermaßen #TheProdigy.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #ScreenReader #A11y #Accessibility #Barrierefreiheit #FediTips
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Oblomov

Lo dico? Lo dico: gli hashtag legati al nome dell'istanza sono, nel migliore dei casi, la forma peggiore.

(A seguire: quelli basati sul nome di una singola piattaforma.)

L'unico caso in cui dovrebbero essere utilizzati è quando si riferiscono effettivamente a questioni specifiche che riguardano quell'istanza (o quella piattaforma).

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Jupiter Rowland
@Dodo III. @Samantha Cohen Keep in mind that hashtags can be and are used to trigger filters as well.

And where I am (Hubzilla), we've been using keywords or hashtags to automatically generate CWs since before Mastodon was even made. Depending on how much sensitive or potentially disturbing content there is in a post, it may need a lot of hashtags.

Notice the hashtags at the bottom of this comment that start with "CW".

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
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Jupiter Rowland
@The Nexus of Privacy I'm someone who usually follows all advice about good Fediverse behaviour to a tee. That is, as far as Hubzilla lets me, as long as it doesn't require me to abandon Hubzilla's own culture in favour of only Mastodon's culture, and as long as it doesn't require me to abandon a number of Hubzilla's key features because Mastodon doesn't have them.

Some may say I'm overdoing the Mastodon-style content warning thing, at least in posts. Hubzilla doesn't support content warning in comments, and if I reply to something, it's always a comment and never a post. Otherwise you'd get one big honking Mastodon-style content warning here. You do get a huge pile of filter-triggering hashtags, though.

Some may say I'm overdoing the image description thing. My image descriptions in alt-text are among the longest in the Fediverse, and these are my short descriptions. My long descriptions for the same images which go into the posts are the longest, most detailed, most explanatory image descriptions in the Fediverse, full stop. And I keep raising my own standards. I only have one image description which I don't consider outdated, obsolete and sub-standard yet.

So I'd normally love to fulfill everything in your post to a tee by my definition of "a tee". And my definition of "to a tee" is everyone else's definition of "Are you completely insane, man?!" But this time, it's more difficult. Call me racist, but it's more difficult.

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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagmeta #Filters #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Racist #Racism
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Jupiter Rowland
@Mike Fair warning ahead: This is going to be LONG.

It often occurs that I add a whole lot of hashtags to a post. I started putting them all at the end of the post unless I'm explicitly talking about a hashtag that I also need as an actual hashtag, but still.

Only about half the hashtags I use are only for discoverability. Many serve a different purpose, namely to trigger filters, including CW-generating filters.

See, on Hubzilla where I am, sensitive people have their CWs individually automatically generated. Not only does this feature pre-date Mastodon's CW filters, it pre-dates Mastodon itself by several years. So it's part of our culture.

But the best CW generator doesn't work if the posts, comments and DMs that need to be CW'd don't contain the appropriate keywords. And I add them as hashtags to reduce the risk of false positives.

And I post a lot of stuff that people don't want to read.

So I add the hashtags #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost whenever a post or a comment exceeds 500 characters (raw count, not Mastodon count) so people can at least get rid of my long posts. It's obvious that two are only for filtering and one is partially for filtering.

Whenever I write about the Fediverse, I add the hashtags #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta, #CWFediMeta and #CWFediverseMeta because some people don't want to read anything concerning the Fediverse, even less if it's about the Fediverse outside Mastodon.

When I write about hashtags, I add #Hashtag and #Hashtags for discoverability and #HashtagMeta and #CWHashtagMeta as a warning/filter trigger because I guess there are people who are fed up with reading about hashtags.

I've got plenty of other topics with accompanying filter/CW-triggering hashtags, including but not limited to alt-text/image descriptions and content warnings themselves.
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Jupiter Rowland
@malik
Also, ich versteh das sehr gut, solange das nicht automatisiert läuft. Es ist eine Krücke, sowas sollten die Computer FÜR UNS lösen.

So etwas wird KI niemals für alle 100% perfekt und akkurat ohne menschliche Interaktion hinbekommen. Hashtags nicht, Inhaltswarnungen nicht und Bildbeschreibungen schon mal erst recht nicht.

Perfekt schon deshalb nicht, weil keine KI je sekundenaktuell allwissend sein wird. Das wird sie aber sein müssen, um selbst das obskurste, nischigste Nischenthema perfekt behandeln zu können und z. B. beim automatisierten Verhashtaggen eines Posts notfalls auch neue Hashtags wie #OSCC24 erzeugen zu können (doch, ich weiß, was das ist).

Und für alle perfekt deshalb nicht, weil jeder im Fediverse andere Bedürfnisse und Präferenzen hat. Da gibt's keinen Konsens. Die einen sind von Twitter nach Mastodon abgehauen und wollen, daß das ganze Fediverse so ist, wie sie Twitter kennengelernt haben, wo praktisch niemand Hashtags benutzt hat. Die anderen sitzen seit zehn Jahren auf Friendica und brauchen bestimmte Hashtags zum automatischen Erzeugen von Inhaltswarnungen per Textfilter, aber genau diese Hashtags sind dann für die meisten Mastodon-Nutzer Unsinn.

Natürlich, der Idealfall wäre, wenn du eine allmächtige, allwissende KI auf deinem iPhone hättest. Die würde dir auch ohne Hashtags genau die Posts von überall, aber auch wirklich überall im Fediverse zuspielen, die dich interessieren, noch zuverlässiger, als es der Twitter-Algorithmus angeblich tun soll. Die würde genau wissen, was für dich Reizthemen sind, und dann entscheiden, ob sie dir einen Post überhaupt nicht serviert oder hinter einer individuellen Inhaltswarnung versteckt.

Und die könnte auch jedes noch so obskure, nischige Bild für dich individuell perfekt beschreiben und erklären. Die wüßte zum einen sekundenaktuell, was du weißt, was du nicht weißt, was dich interessiert und was dich nicht interessiert. Die würde erkennen, worauf du in einem Bild gerade zoomst und worauf exakt in dem Bild deine Augen gerade blicken, und daraus selbständig ermitteln, ob du willst, daß sie dir dieses Detail des Bildes im Detail beschreibt und/oder erklärt. Und natürlich hätte sie sekundenaktuell das absolute Detailwissen über jedes Nischenthema überhaupt.

Selbstredend würde diese KI deinem iPhone trotzdem nicht mal eine Minute an Akkulaufzeit klauen.

CC: @Ralf Stockmann

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Jupiter Rowland
In most of the cases, the hashtags #Mastodon and #Twitter mean, "lol idk how to mastodon n idk how to hashtag cuz ive never used them on twitter but u must use them here so ppl find yr toots."

In fact, if you're on Mastodon or anything else that allows you to follow hashtags, following these two gives you about the same amount of meaningless noise as following everyone on your federated timeline.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
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