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Signal as an easy-to-use and probably more secure WA replacement? Sure.
But for #digitalSovereignty we should go for something really free and federated, just like the fediverse. There are various options, of course. Each with pros and cons attached.
(My personal favourite is #Jabber, which exists since 1999 and is extremely easy to use thanks to #Quicksy and its Indian cousin #Prav.)
Was having issues with #Signal notifications again, so I set my mom up with #Quicksy #XMPP as a backup messenger in case she can't get hold of me on Signal. I'm still using #Conversations, but talking her thru setting up Quicksy was straight forward and simple.
I'll probably go down and set up #Dino on her desktop PC sometime tomorrow so she has something she can use on her PC.
Thanks to @daniel for all his hard work on both Conversations, Quicksy and XMPP, 
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@janvlug #Signal is better than #WhatsApp, but still centralized. The entire world depending on a Single organization is not very sustainable. We have Quicksy and Prav both giving the same convenience of Signal without lock-in. #Quicksy and #Prav users can talk to each other and to any other #XMPP app.
To actually practice the freedom to improve a software, we should be able to self host the server part (not necessarily each person has to self host, but that option can offer real choice).
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@bshankar I wanted to comment on your blog post https://bshankar.pages.dev/getting-family-on-xmpp/ (saw it on fsci group)
#Quicksy would have been the simpler option for most people. But unfortunately Quicksy is mostly driven by a single person from Germany and mass adoption and publicity seem to be not a priority for them. So we are trying to promote the idea of Quicksy through a cooperative run project called @prav You are welcome to join this effort to take the idea Quicksy to the masses.
Just BeingMoving my family to conversations (XMPP) | Just BeingA painful experience to learn from. Why open source needs to invest more in design and UX.
Are you and #android developer? Would you like to contribute to #Prav? Here is a small task for anyone to try making a small contribution / getting your hands dirty...
https://codeberg.org/prav/IssueTracker/issues/2#issuecomment-2920546
Context: #Quicksy and hence #Prav currently takes phone number as the username. But this makes a lot of people reluctant to use / promote Prav. So we raised funds and hired a local company Softrate to do the work. But we need to troubleshoot why this is not working as intended.
Codeberg.orgSupport sign up with a custom username instead of defaulting to phone numberUsers should be able to sign up with a custom username instead of taking phone number as username. This will need change in both app and server.
Rationale: If you want to talk to someone who don't have your phone number yet, you will have to share your phone number with them. If we allow a custo...
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Ich hatte Quicksy mal ausprobiert und fand es super einfach. Es war eigentlich nur "Weiter, weiter, weiter". Es soll Menschen geben, die der Meinung sind, dass #XMPP als #Messenger zu kompliziert sei. Ich weiß nicht was man bei #Quicksy noch einfacher machen sollte.
Meiner Meinung nach ist dies jedoch nicht das Problem. Wenn wir alles einfach machen und nicht mehr nachdenken müssen, halte ich dies für Gesellschaftlich problematisch.
Für mich gehört das Verständnis von einem "Benutzerkonto, seinem Benutzername und dazugehörige Passwort" für eine der wichtigen Grundvoraussetzungen für #Digitalisierung und eine selbstbewusste Verwendung der Technik.
Sicherlich sollten viele die Möglichkeit haben einfach miteinander zu kommunizieren, aber sie sollten auch wenigsten die Grundlagen verstanden haben - und diese sind meiner Meinung nach nicht mal ganz so schwer.
CC: @zeank@mastodon.social @davbm@fosstodon.org @renehamburg@chaos.social
Meiner Meinung nach ist dies jedoch nicht das Problem. Wenn wir alles einfach machen und nicht mehr nachdenken müssen, halte ich dies für Gesellschaftlich problematisch.
Für mich gehört das Verständnis von einem "Benutzerkonto, seinem Benutzername und dazugehörige Passwort" für eine der wichtigen Grundvoraussetzungen für #Digitalisierung und eine selbstbewusste Verwendung der Technik.
Sicherlich sollten viele die Möglichkeit haben einfach miteinander zu kommunizieren, aber sie sollten auch wenigsten die Grundlagen verstanden haben - und diese sind meiner Meinung nach nicht mal ganz so schwer.
CC: @zeank@mastodon.social @davbm@fosstodon.org @renehamburg@chaos.social
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@marco @icaria36 @fasnix @daniel
I wonder how Deltachat invitations compare to #Jabber invitations as implemented in @snikket_im and @prosodyim?
https://blog.prosody.im/great-invitations/
I only know the latter, but would like to compare them one day.
So far, for me #Quicksy (phone number based) was more successful for onboarding new users than #XMPP invitations, but I had far more guinea pigs for Quicksy.
blog.prosody.im · Great Invitations
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Thanks for adding IM to your lists!
However, so far only centralised silos, walled gardens are listed. I suggest to add at least #Quicksy by @daniel, which is hosted at Hetzner in DE, and is part of the #Jabber/#XMPP #federation.
(Thanks for mentioning TeleGuard. Never heard of it before. I'm an IM collector )
QuicksyQuicksyA spin-off of the popular Jabber/XMPP client Conversations with automatic contact discovery. Sign up with your phone number and Quicksy will automatically—based on the phone numbers in your address book—suggest possible contacts to you.
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@kravemir As @praveen mentioned that #Signal is verifiably end-to-end encrypted due its source code being available. Similar is true for #Prav and #Quicksy. All the messages are end-to-end encrypted by default using the OMEMO protocol.
Moreover, you can learn about OMEMO here https://conversations.im/omemo/. The link contains a security audit of OMEMO by a third party as well.
Finally, I think collective control and transparency are the key as things can always be improved.
conversations.imOMEMO Multi-End Message and Object EncryptionAn XMPP Extension Protocol based on a Double Ratchet and PEP which can be freely used and implemented by anyone. The protocol has been audited by a third party.
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@kravemir @ravi Matrix and Signal has more marketing going for them. Matrix is philosophically on same level as #Prav and #Quicksy, but it needs more resources to run. Signal is definitely better than #WhatsApp since it has #FreeSoftware client, so we can verify its end to end encryption don't have any backdoors. But Signal don't give you a choice to move to a different app later without having to convince every other contact. People can easily switch between Prav and Quicksy.
Thanks to the freedoms granted by #FreeSoftware , we forked #Quicksy to create #Prav . Otherwise, we would have to write all of it from scratch.
'Don't like Prav? You can port your account to another app in the Prav network, eg. Quicksy.'
This is not possible with apps like #WhatsApp, #Telegram or #Signal. You are at the mercy of your contacts to switch your messaging provider, even if you like another app.
In India, we can port our sim cards any time if we don't like our current provider or a competitor offers a better deal. #Prav and #Quicksy offers this portability. You can switch apps and still talk to your contacts. #xmpp
#Prav project started 3 years ago with the goal of mass adoption of private messaging powered by #XMPP and democratic decision-making. The project was inspired by #Quicksy and #Snikket.
Read more at https://ravidwivedi.in/posts/backstory-behind-prav-app-project/
Today, I am glad to announce our first edition of #PravConf in #Kochi, #India. Join us on the 1st and the 2nd of March.
Don't forget to spread the word
More details at https://conf.prav.app
QuicksyQuicksyA spin-off of the popular Jabber/XMPP client Conversations with automatic contact discovery. Sign up with your phone number and Quicksy will automatically—based on the phone numbers in your address book—suggest possible contacts to you.
@contrapunctus "Some people have questioned the necessity and MO of #Prav in the past. I myself used to think the #coop aspect was the most convincing part. But Prav is doing what nobody else is, and fulfills a unique and critically important role in the #XMPP ecosystem"
1. People complain about XMPP clients and servers having too many differences in features and UX.
2. Not all projects are focused on mass adoption, but Prav is.
3. Apparently there is zero user support for the #Quicksy service.
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@mastodonmigration Obligatory reminder that #Signal relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.
Users of #WhatsApp #Telegram #Discord #Signal and #Threema etc should use #XMPP instead, which is #FreeSoftware and federated.
Users - check out #Quicksy (Android and iOS), #Prav, #Conversations, #Cheogram, #MonoclesChat, #Gajim, #Movim, #Monal...
Self-hosters, check out #Snikket.
Learn more with this user's guide -
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html
contrapunctus.codeberg.pageThe Quick and Easy Guide to Jabber/XMPP
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@samuel yes! You mean emoji reactions right? #Conversations (the "flagship' Android client so to speak) added support for them recently
#Quicksy as well as downstream clients like #Cheogram and #Monocles should be having it too (I believe Monocles actually implemented support before Conversations did)
MastodonDaniel Gultsch (@daniel@gultsch.social)Attached: 1 image
Good news and bad news.
#Conversations_im 2.17.0 has support for emoji reactions 🎉
Since @Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de appears to be under constant DDoS attacks they have added pretty strict rate limits that the @fdroidorg@floss.social build server keeps running into. 😞
Another build cycle just failed and it's unclear when 2.17.0 will be available on F-Droid.
Maybe Codeberg and F-Droid can back channel an allow list or something? 🙏
Ruego a todos que recomendéis a vuestros contactos comunicaros por #Quicksy. Cero complicaciones.
QuicksyQuicksyA spin-off of the popular Jabber/XMPP client Conversations with automatic contact discovery. Sign up with your phone number and Quicksy will automatically—based on the phone numbers in your address book—suggest possible contacts to you.