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My wife has cancelled the Spotify family subscription over their continued hosting of Andrew Tate, and let them know why in the cancellation process.
It already felt bleak knowing your subscription was funding Joe Rogan about a million times more than your favourite artists, but it turns out they could and do go lower.
Fuck Spotify. Awful people.
https://mas.to/@markwyner/114145644321710123
There's a petition if you're into it - https://www.change.org/p/demand-spotify-remove-andrew-tate-s-harmful-courses-on-how-to-traffic-women
There's only one thing Spotify care about though 
@davey_cakes Thanks for that. I was aware of Rogan but figured "they're all as bad", but this is a bridge too far.
@Des_egan same.
Even Neil Young threw in the towel on the Rogan thing when the exclusivity deal ended, but this is fucking bleak.
Even if they get rid of Tate, at this point Spotify have told me enough times who they are as a company.
@davey_cakes Agreed. And while I know that physical media gives the best relative return for artists, I'm not going back to a Walkman and a bag full of tapes.
I'm happy to take advice from anyone on a streaming service that pays it's artists, and doesn't platform fascists and misogynist creeps.
If such a unicorn exists of course!
@Des_egan we're trying Tidal this week.
It's still VC funded but we'll see.
Focusing on things that aren't trying to be anything other than a music streaming service seems to help.
Spotify are still desperately trying to justify their ridiculous valuation.
@davey_cakes Will check them out thanks!
@Des_egan @davey_cakes Buy CDs and rip them, or buy MP3 downloads. Either is a better deal for the artist, and for you. You only pay once, not for eternity.
@chrisod @Des_egan @davey_cakes I buy used CDs. It's a better deal. And not having a desktop or laptop computer isn't an excuse. You can get sd cards that are multiple terabytes now and put them in your phone, unless it's an Apple, but I have no sympathy for people that give that company money for shitty, ewaste phones that are always years behind in features found on Android.
@shanesemler @chrisod @davey_cakes Yeah these are all great arguments but I did ask about a streaming service tbf. Also without a cd drive to rip the music, the storage is useless.
Finally the culture of locally stored music sharing is gone for the foreseeable future, so if I want to hear something different or new, I'm unlikely to.
For these reasons, I want an 'ethical' streaming service, not to resurrect my MiniDisc player and boxes of CDs from the attic!
@Des_egan @shanesemler @davey_cakes
To be double fair, you asked about ethical streaming services, and I don't think there is one. They all screw the artists financially, then Spotify, YouTube/Google, and Apple have all kinds of additional issues on top of that. Pandora is owned by iHeart, and Tidal is VC funded. Is there another option beyond those 5?
@chrisod @Des_egan @shanesemler
I think we have a clear cut case of one service being markedly worse in this instance.
"They're all the same" is doing Spotify a big favour they don't deserve.
@davey_cakes @chrisod @shanesemler Yeah what @davey_cakes said!
@Des_egan @chrisod @davey_cakes "the culture of locally stored music sharing is gone for the foreseeable future" Why do you care what the culture is? Also, CD drives are pretty inexpensive. It sounds like you're making excuses. Reject convenience.
@shanesemler @chrisod @davey_cakes
The culture is what allows a middle-aged da of small kids to keep my toe in the water of current music, since I don't get to go out any more, or read music magazines (time and non-existence of same).
Also I challenge your 'reject convenience' as 'reject efficiency'. I don't have time to wander around Tower records looking for the latest release by my favourite obscure band, then go home and rip CDs, all to put them on a device that has all this music already!