Vote Midterms A Chronology of Russian Invasions
• 1939: Russia invades Poland.
• 1939: Russia invades Finland.
• 1939: Russia invades Latvia.
• 1940: Russia invades Estonia.
• 1940: Russia invades Lithuania.
• 1956: Russia invades Hungary.
• 1968: Russia invades Czechoslovakia.
• 1979: Russia invades Afghanistan.
• 1994: Russia invades Chechnya.
• 1999: Russia invades Chechnya again.
• 2008: Russia invades Georgia
• 2014: Russia invades Crimea Ukraine
• 2014: Russia invades Donbas Ukraine
• 2015: Russia invades Syria
• 2022: Russia invades Ukraine
@skykiss Of course I suspect many people don't realise Russia was allied with Hitler Germany for a short while.
Yeah, this part always gets left out of the Stalinist narratives. Russia only joined the Allies when Hitler turned on Russia. Before then, Stalin was quite content to carve up Europe in co-operation with Hitler:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
@FediThing @Dianora @skykiss Exactly. Stalin turned to allied forces only and when backstabbed by Adolf.
@pprimar @FediThing @Dianora @skykiss not to split hairs, but the king of England also supported Hitler. Only an American divorcee stood in the way of a pact there, and the Brits invaded far more countries than Russia.
By this logic, the US couldn’t possibly be supporting the “righteous” side since they backed Pinochet, Batista, Chun Doo-hwan, Ngo Dinh Diem, Mobutu, and literally dozens of dictators in the global south.
What use is this argument?
@bpmcgackin @pprimar @FediThing @skykiss
You're right that this has happened as I know my history, but this is irrelevant in this specific case. The Russians have always been vocal about defeating the Nazi and never acknowledging they were allies at one time. Surely you can agree on facts.
The U.S. also had a very strong antisemitic movement with support for German Nazism which Americans (I am not an American.) sometimes get upset about hearing. We here in Canada are not so innocent either as the Christie pits riots comes to mind.
Interestingly your Whataboutism (Logical Fallacy) is a common Russian propaganda tactic. This logical fallacy alone makes your claims of illogic rather specious.
Now as I refuse to argue on social media (I'd have been happy over a beer) any attempt by you to argue further and I will simply block you.
Thank you.
@bpmcgackin @pprimar @Dianora @skykiss
I'm trying to point out what happened in the face of apologists for Stalin who claim he was some kind of anti-Nazi hero. He was literally signing secret deals with the Nazis so he could invade his neighbours.
As for the king of england, he has no power at all, he signs whatever the elected government puts in front of him. The fact that Edward VIII was forced to abdicate by the government shows where the power really is.
@FediThing @pprimar @Dianora @skykiss I’m no Stalin apologist, but I’m not a Britain or US apologist either. And that’s the point I’m making: pointing historical fingers of any of these governments being better or worse than others is a losing game. Forget the King of England then; their government was engaged in appeasement with Hitler and continually refused to address their homegrown fascist elements, before and after the war. US loved Hitler.
@bpmcgackin @pprimar @Dianora @skykiss
I'm not going to defend the UK morally at a time when it had a global empire, but as a point of historical fact the UK drew a red line against Hitler and stuck to it: Hitler's invasion of Poland broke the red line, the UK declared war against the Nazis, and the UK carried on fighting the Nazis even when all their allies had fallen. Meanwhile, Stalin was invading innocent countries such as the Baltic states.
Britain also banned fascist organisations and arrested their leaders at the start of the war (see Oswald Moseley https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley).
@FediThing @pprimar @Dianora @skykiss “Stalin was invading innocent countries” but like you said Britain had a global empire, of significantly more innocent countries.
I’m aware of what happened to Mosley’s ilk at the start of the war. The UK for some reason camped them all together, which had the effect of allowing their organizations to be even stronger after the war than before it, and it fell to local antifascist street gangs to deplore them.
"of significantly more innocent countries."
WTF does "significantly more innocent" mean? Are you implying that the victims of Stalin were somehow asking for it? What did the Baltic States do to deserve generations of occupation and brutal suppression?
You say you're not a Stalin apologist but claiming he was to any degree justified in invading his neighbours is Stalin apologism.
@FediThing lol no, a significantly larger number of innocent countries