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@vowe @shengokai @lorenzlm No, he is speaking with academic and cultural references from here.

@jeffjarvis @vowe @shengokai @lorenzlm I found his analysis at odds w/ how M functions. If you attempt to use M like it’s T much of what he says holds. But that’s a mistake most people quickly get over. A screenshot & a pertinent word as a # is the equivelant of a QT

Community specific hashtags will promulgate naturally & bolster native narrative patterns including the call and response which isn’t reglegated solely to the Black community.

@Pineywoozle @jeffjarvis @vowe @shengokai That is flat out wrong. When my intention is to point my followers to a pertinent post, to contextualise it, e.g. in the framework of an ongoing discussion, analyze and recommend it and refer them to it - How in the world could a hashtag and a screenshot be the equivalent of a QT?

And this argument, that Twitter is not Mastodon - does that mean that Mastodon is not a possible platform for curation in the sense described?

@lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe @shengokai A screen shot with a hashtag and the person who’s post is being discussed provides the same access for your followers to access the conversation with one or two extra clicks. I’m sure they can manage that.

As to your straw man about what t is vs what m is, wasn’t discussed. The method one gets to a discussion is all that was pointed out. And that using tools ment for one application are inelegant at best

@lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe @shengokai Since I’m most likely blocked by Lorenz I’ll respond to his post to me here. QTs don’t just go to your followers they also go to the person you’re quoting followers in @ replies. A screen shot by its nature with out the original posters functioning handle attached do specificly just go to your followers.

The one positive no matter how this matter resolves is that this community is built on respect.💙👍

@Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe

Couple of things. Much of my discourse is in the context of people saying that marginalized communities could replicate their communities here on Mastodon. Given that context, I don't think that this is the case because the affordances of twitter that enabled Black Twitter to come into being do not exist on Mastodon in a robust sense.

As for your solution, screenshotting + hashtag has a very different cultural function in black digital practice.

@Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe

Again, for @vowe specifically, I'm using "black digital practice" to describe how black users make their identities present using the available tools of a platform and, in doing so, come together in a community based on how offline cultural practices translate online through the tools of the platform.

Here, the screenshot + hashtag has been taken up in a specific way by black users to avoid certain kinds of interactions.

@Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe A QT, enables call and response and INVITES the response through the very mechanisms that many of you describe. Insofar as the QT actually pulls the other user into the conversation or adds something new to it, the QT invites a participatory exchange that the screenshot + hashtag does not.

This is how the QT enables the call and response I've been talking about in a ways that your proposal does not, and which mastodon was not designed for.

@shengokai @Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe does the "reply and repost your own reply" model work for the QT example? I know that has a different affordance on twitter, but it is closer here.
You can manually QT (copy the link into your new post) which is how it worked on Twitter before they made a button, but it doesn't show a preview.

@shengokai @Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @jeffjarvis @vowe a QT didn't originally invite a response, that changed when Twitter added a notification to the original poster. Before that it created a separate conversation fork from the original post.

@jeffjarvis @faduda @KevinMarks @Pineywoozle @lorenzlm @vowe @shengokai As a friend of mine used to say, there are two types of people in this world: those who can be split into one of two types, and those who can't.