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@armin @mwl Mail on #apple is a very difficult thing, I'm in the middle of that myself 😔

On #macos : several options, I find #thunderbird is the best you can get.

On #iOS: to my knowledge there is no #opensource option for a mail #IMAP client. Which is crazy! Only options are tied to a specific (and external, so not for you) provider: #tuta , #protonmail , in my case #mailfence .

I'm afraid that your only option on #iOS is the default #mail app...

#selfhost and #apple clearly don't seem to be good friends...

Considering switching from ProtonMail to Mailfence, but so far it seems like quite a few services see Mailfence as a spammy domain. The paid version gives the option for mf.me as a domain. Arguably, that one would be less censored by being a paid service, but we are not sure.

Maybe we should just stick with Proton. We use our email mostly as a digital passport anyhow. It's not really used for communication purposes.

Thoughts?

Normie noob question alert: is there anywhere that offers a comparison of the following email providers?

Mailbox
Mailfence
Posteo
TutaMail

I'm trying to divest from Google's ecosystem, so looking for somewhere to set up for the long-term (preferably based in the EU).

Any and all replies are also welcome. Thanks, folks!

Looking for some #tech advice. Trying to move from #Gmail to more secure #email accounts. Set up free @protonprivacy account and was planning on doing one more. Planned on using #Mailfence but they won't let me register. I was thinking of going with @startmail or @fastmail as a general secure inbox. Any thoughts or experiences with them? A third option is to do Mail Plus with #Proton and have just one box. Wanted to keep costs lower ($5 or below). Doing this as part @cyberlyra's Cyber Cleanse!

Just logged in again for a second to block Proton out of spite, after having cancelled my VPN with them (in favor of #Mullvad) as well as my email account (in favor of #MailFence). Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Hang in there, everyone. Keep doing what you can to keep yourselves and those around you safe.

I want to suggest email providers focused on security like Protonmail, Tutanota, Mailfence, etc. to put in place a canari email warning system to propose to their clients.
This is how this would work: you subscribe to their service and every Monday or every 1st of the month you receive an email that tells you something to the effect of "We are happy to announce to you that to this day we have not been subpoenaed to provide any information regarding your account."
That way the day they do receive a subpoena with a gag order of course they can't legally warn you that you are under surveillance, but they just don't send you your weekly / monthly email anymore and now, if you are attentive, you know something is going on.

I think that should be legal pretty much anywhere in the world, right? They can prohibit you from warning someone, but they can't attack you for NOT sending a false declaration in your name. Maybe someone more familiar with laws can chime in on this.

"Canari emails" of course because of the proverbial but also very real canaris in coal mines.

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La impresión de #Tuta es muy positiva, en comparación con #Mailfence. Tiene todo lo necesario para ser usable. La aplicación de móvil es cómoda e intuitiva. Todo muy sobrio, sin alardes, pero muy funcional.
Las características de privacidad muy completas, con muchas opciones de doble factor, cifrado, etc. La app se puede además bloquear con biometría, todo de apariencia robusta.
No requiere correo de recuperación, sino que tiene un código alfanumérico que hay que guardar como respaldo. Todo muy serio.
A pesar de estar en modo gratuito, te permite personalizar lo necesario, poner filtros, carpetas, etc.
Seguiremos informando!!

Do anyone knows an email web app with friendly ui? I use mailfence.com and it's UI looks very ugly.

Note that Mailfence completely satisfies me, I just need an web app for it. Thank you.

Note that I need an web app specifically, meaning it's accessible via browser only. Do not suggest me any desktop apps. I do not want to install anything.

Please don't suggest an email provider (like Proton and Tutanota), I don't need one.

MailfenceSecure and private email | Mailfence encrypted email serviceMailfence is the only secure and private email service that gives you control. A free, interoperable encrypted email service protected by Belgian privacy law.
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@adrian Wenn du eine E-Mail von A nach B über die Server X, Y, Z versendest, dann versendest du die Daten nur **auf dem Transport** verschlüsselt. Bei jeder Zwischenstation, zumindest aber auf deinem versendenden Server als auch beim empfangenden Server sind die Daten im Klartext vorhanden.

(Deswegen ist es auch eine blöde Idee, Passwörter per E-Mail zu senden.)

Verschlüsselte E-Mails, wie sie etwa von #Tutanota, #Protonmail, #Startmail, #Mailfence usw. angeboten werden, verschlüsseln die Daten **vor** dem Versenden und können auch nur vom Empfänger wieder **entschlüsselt** werden.
(Normalerweise wird nur der Nachrichteninhalt verschlüsselt, der Betreff wird in Klartext übertragen.)

In solchen E-Mails kannst du dann auch vertrauliche Inhalte verschicken.

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@catanlover Es würde ja im Prinzip genügen, wenn es die Verständigung auf ein __gemeinsames__ #Protokoll gäbe, so wie es – sorry für den überstrapazierten Vergleich – bei E-Mail gibt:
Es ist egal, bei welchem Provider du bist, alle sprechen #IMAP, #SMTP oder #POP3 und können untereinander Nachrichten austauschen.
Und wer es auch in sicher haben möchte, der kann dann #PGP (bei #StartMail, #Mailfence, #Posteo, #mailbox.org, #ProtonMail usw.) nutzen.
Oder besonders sicher, wie bei #Tutanota.