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@ulfi I can relate, as I recently tried out #monal for #iPadOS. While praiseworthy for being the honest effort that it is, it doesn't have anywhere the bling-bling that the other chat apps have.

At this time, emoji reactions don't work yet in Monal, so with that shortcoming alone, I can't recommend #XMPP to any of the #Apple followers in my life. They almost certainly have high expectations for any new apps, for such functionality

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@sbb @ljrk @chiraag @tortie @waeiski @Mer__edith

but alas, the #iOS and #MacOS clients aren't the greatest at present

#Monal by @Monal is working at improving their UI and adding reactions and replies

monal-im.org · New NLNet FundingWe are pleased to announce that we got selected in another funding round by the EU’s NGI via the NLnet Foundation NGI0 Entrust Fund to work on some important features in Monal. In short this consists of the following tasks (in no special order). Implement Dialpad: Add Dialpad to our Call-UI and backend code to be able to send DTMF tones in A/V calls. This will make Monal fully compatible with jmp.chat, like Snikket is already. Rewrite Chat UI: Our current chat UI is still UIKit-based and it’s hard to improve it or fix some UI glitches. We want to rewrite and modernize the whole chat UI using SwiftUI. This will not only simplify maintenance a lot and allow us to fix these UI glitches, but also enable us to implement modern XMPP features like message reactions, message styling, message replies or mentions. UI work: Implement Message Reactions, Rich Replies and Stickers: Implement UI and backend for message reactions (XEP-0444), rich replies (XEP-0461) and Stickers, once the chat UI is ported to SwiftUI XSF work: After having successfully worked on the SASL2 XEP-suite, I want to modernize XEP-0389: Extensible In-Band Registration to also send only password hashes instead of cleartext passwords (similar to password upgrades specced in XEP-0480: SASL Upgrade Tasks) Write documentation of Monal internals: After having started to publish a blog series and wiki articles about Monal’s internals (beginning with the Handlers Framework), I want to publish blog and wiki articles on our XML query-language (intentionally based on the XPath-like syntax of Prosody’s query language), the PubSub/PEP framework, Model-Classes used as data sources for our UI (MLContact, MLMessage etc.) and possibly more. Thanks again to NLNet for fund this!

#XMPP enthusiasts out there: what would you say the ultimate Achilles heel of the XMPP ecosystem is, at present? Fragmentation of clients? What?

My sense is that it's this: when one goes to store an XMPP address in one's addressbook, there doesn't seem to be standard way to store an XMPP address. #Android doesn't have that as an allowable field, and #Thunderbird and #Nextcloud have an "Instant Messaging" field, where the type can be set to "XMPP". But are these two compatible with each other when trying to sync between them? Edit: Yes, but there's a catch: *the XMPP address must be prefixed with "xmpp:"*

So "user@foo.bar" is not an OK XMPP address, but "user@foo.bar" is.

Then to make matters worse, now there's a wish to change the labeling of "XMPP Address" to "Chat ID": gultsch.social/@daniel/1140129

It might be a long time before the address synchy-ness ever works again between Android <-> #Davx5 <-> Nextcloud <->Thunderbird

Note: Android allows a "Jabber" type for an IM address, where you *don't* prefix the address with "xmpp:".

(#DeltaChat gets to gloat hard here, as they have plain-old email addresses)

MastodonDaniel Gultsch (@daniel@gultsch.social)Absolutely nobody knows what an XMPP address is, so just go ahead and call it a: #XMPP #Conversations_im #Jabber [ ] Conversations ID [ ] Chat ID
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@eliasp
Es gibt nicht nur Signal. Siehe Artikel & Empfehlungen (abhängig von Sicherheitsbedürfnis & Vertraulichkeit) - Quelle:
kuketz-blog.de/messenger-matri

Folgende Messenger haben eine Empfehlung bekommen - hier zusammengefasst nach #Zielgruppe, #Herkunft & #Betriebssystem (#Mobil / #Desktop):

1) #Threema - #Einsteiger - #Schweiz - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
2) #Signal - Einsteiger - #USA - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
3) #Monal (#XMPP) - #Fortgeschrittene - US / DE - für iOS & Desktop (macOS) - siehe de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_
4) #Element (#Matrix) - Fortgeschrittene - #GB / #DE - für iOS & Desktop (diverse Clients für Win, macOS, GNU/Linux - siehe matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/)
5) #Conversations (XMPP) - Fortgeschrittene - DE - für Android (siehe de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_)
6) #Briar - Nerds, Aktivisten, Journalisten - int. Team - für Android und Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)

Link zur Messenger - Matrix:
messenger-matrix.de/

@OhWeh @signalapp
@threemaapp
@inaruck

www.kuketz-blog.deMessenger-Matrix: Übersicht / Vergleich der aktuellen MessengerDie nachfolgende Messenger-Matrix bietet einen Überblick über die verschiedenen (technischen) Merkmale diverser Messenger.
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Es gibt sehr viele gute Software. In der Familie sind für uns XMPP Clients ganz wichtig. Wir verwenden diese zum chatten, telefonieren, video calls.

In der Familie wird meist der Andorid Client #Conversations verwendet oder #Monal für iOS. Ich selber verwende #profanity und #gajim. Die Kinder verwenden #dino.

Die Server #prosody und #ejabberd dürfen auch nicht fehlen.

Vielen Dank an die XMPP Community!

#ILoveFS #XMPP #Jabber #Messenger #FreeSoftware
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@methuselah #Conversations for #Android is indeed worth advocating as an #XMPP client, *when it comes to its full support of "multi-user chat"*. But as to #Monal for #iOS? Be careful what you assume: its "multi-user chat" support is only said to be "partial" at this time:
xmpp.org/software/software-com
Edit: #Siskin (for iOS, is GPL3), is said to have "complete" support for multi-user chat.

xmpp.orgXMPPXMPP - The universal messaging standard

After taking a closer look at #XMPP clients for the #linux desktop, there's this frustrating "tie" for finding a favorite.

#Dino, which is likeable for being able to do video and audio calls, only has limited support for multi-user chat (complete with fancy moderation tools). These audio and video calls it can do are AMD64-only at this time.

#Gajim, which is likeable for being able to do multi-user chat well (with great moderation tools), alas, can't do audio and video calls to the other XMPP clients (like, say, #Conversations, as they use a newer #WebRTC-based method now).

So there's this strange situation where one is tempted to use both at the same time.

My takeaway is that #Conversations for #Android is the only xmpp client that I would possibly and carefully recommend to family and friends at this time, as it can cover all of the above. (#Monal on #iOS/#MacOS only has "partial" support for Multi-user chat, BTW.)

Yes I'm aware of the existence of Snikket, Quicksy, and Prav. No need to chime in on those.

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@mastodonmigration Obligatory reminder that #Signal relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.

Users of #WhatsApp #Telegram #Discord #Signal and #Threema etc should use #XMPP instead, which is #FreeSoftware and federated.

Users - check out #Quicksy (Android and iOS), #Prav, #Conversations, #Cheogram, #MonoclesChat, #Gajim, #Movim, #Monal...

Self-hosters, check out #Snikket.

Learn more with this user's guide -
contrapunctus.codeberg.page/th

contrapunctus.codeberg.pageThe Quick and Easy Guide to Jabber/XMPP